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Higher Ed Chats

April 24th, 2025

24 minutes

How Higher Education is Transforming in the US

US higher education is under more pressure right now than it's been in decades, and it's not just one problem. It's several hitting at once. In episode 29 of Higher Ed Chats, Scott Miller sits down with John Clarke, Dean of the School of Business and Leadership at DePauw University, to unpack what's actually driving the strain on American colleges, and why the institutions best positioned to survive it may already have the right model. They just haven't been communicating it well enough.

Clarke brings an unusual lens to this conversation. He trained as a physicist in Manchester and Leeds, spent years at Accenture, earned an MBA, and landed in higher education leadership. That background shapes how he reads the current moment: practically, and without sentimentality.

The damage from US immigration policy, Clarke argues, is as much about narrative as legal reality. Visa inconsistency and uncertainty around OPT and H-1B pathways have created hesitation among prospective international students, even when individual cases aren't directly affected. And those students now have real alternatives. Australia, the UK, Singapore, and China are all competing aggressively for talent that once defaulted to the US. With 19% of DePauw's admitted class being international students, Clarke has watched this shift up close.

The enrollment cliff gets plenty of coverage in higher ed circles, but Clarke frames it as one piece of a larger, over-determined problem. Demographic decline, population migration between states, interstate competition between institutions, and a growing segment of young people opting out of college entirely, without social stigma, are all compounding at the same time. The ROI conversation is no longer just background noise.

That's where DePauw's response gets interesting. The university launched a new School of Business and Leadership that extends, rather than abandons, its liberal arts identity. The bet: the skills that liberal arts develops, asking good questions, handling ambiguity, giving and receiving feedback, communicating across contexts, are exactly what employers say graduates lack. Clarke cites research from the head of Deloitte's higher education practice: 20 to 40% of graduates don't have the skills required to succeed in the workforce. The skills missing aren't technical. They're human.

The episode closes with a conversation on AI that's worth hearing on its own. Clarke's position isn't the standard academic hand-wringing about cheating. "Anybody in higher education who's talking about AI in the context of this is going to mean that students will cheat in class is missing the point," he says. His view: AI is the hardest-working, fastest intern you've ever had, one with no common sense. It amplifies what a skilled person can already do. That changes how instructors should think about their role, not whether AI belongs in the classroom.

Who’s in the episode?

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John Clarke
John F. Clarke is the Dean of the School of Business and Leadership at DePauw University in Greencastle, Indiana. For the past 18 years, John has worked in higher education. In this field, he's taught and mentored students, created and launched programs and led faculty and staff teams, mainly in the U.S.
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Scott Miller

Scott Miller is the host of Keystone Higher Ed Chats and the Executive Director of Keystone's international division, bringing over 11 years of EdTech experience to conversations about global education. 


After graduating from DePauw University, living and working in different cultures showed him that stepping outside your comfort zone doesn't just broaden your horizons; it reshapes them entirely. That belief in the transformative power of international experiences brought Scott to Keystone in 2010, where he's spent over a decade (and counting) helping higher education institutions reach students worldwide. 


On Keystone Higher Ed Chats, Scott speaks with thought-leaders in the industry about what he's most passionate about: how education changes lives, how cultural experiences broaden perspectives at any age, and how Keystone's mission—connecting students with their ideal higher education institution—makes those life-changing moments possible. 

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